Straight From a Movie

Pensive Thoughts on Paper | Movie Reviews and Quotes Website

Understanding the Timeline in Miss Peregrine’s Home for Peculiar Children Movie

I am assuming a lot of you were left scratching your heads after watching Miss Peregrine’s Home for Peculiar Children movie. Must be trying to figure out how loops really worked in the movie? Direction is to be blamed a little for that. Since the colossal significance of showing loop entries and exits was next to absent. Also, the surprise quotient that the flick should have tacked all along, never really came to fruition.

Time theory is huge. To be stuck in a loop, to be able to relive a day all over again is a concept that demands ample amount of focus and time to process. I believe a 2 hr 7 minutes movie can’t really do a prodigious concept like that justice. Now since we can’t really wait for a TV show to watch things fall in place, let us make do in whatever little we have to work with. I have explained how timelines in the Miss Peregrine’s Home for Peculiar Children movie worked. So without wasting more time let’s get to it.

Timeline of Miss Peregrine Movie Explained (Major Spoilers)

Here is the timeline that explains how everything  fits in Miss Peregrine’s Home for Peculiar Children movie:

  • Before dying his grandfather Abe tells Jake to go to Cairnholm island to “find a bird in the loop of September 3, 1940”. The bird yes you guessed right, was none other than Miss Peregrine. Abe tells him to tell her about what happened.
  • Jacob follows the children in his Grampa’s stories into some caves. That’s when he enters the same time loop his Grampa had talked about before dying. The day of September 3, 1940. The same wretched day when Miss Peregrine’s house was destroyed by a German bomber too. But since Peregrine was a Ymbryne she could control time. They lived their everyday without growing old. (So, that insinuates if you come out of the loop you begin to grow normally, I surmise)
  • In an unfortunate turn of events an ornithologist Rupert Everett follows Jake to the cave where the loop entrance stood. He is able to enter it since he is a peculiar. It is also revealed that he was none other than Mr. Barron, the main antagonist himself.

Close to 2016

  • He walks in Miss Peregrine’s home for peculiar children in her time loop of Sep 3, 1940 demanding her to come to his loop, which as a matter of fact Miss Avocet (Judi Dench) had created in Blackpool. It is also the time loop where his immortality experiments were being performed in the year 2016. The loop is 6 months old from the present day with the date: January 11, 2016.
  • Miss Peregrine is abducted in her Ymbryne form and taken away by Baron. Children encounter a Hollow that tagged along with Baron. Owing to the absence of the Ymbryne Miss Peregrine, the German bomb falls closing their 1940 time loop forever. It cannot be reset.
  • The clueless children then decide to help Miss Peregrine by going to Blackpool. The same location had a loop entry point for January 11, 2016 the time loop where Barron had taken Miss Peregrine. They make a theatrical entry into the year by taking a titanic ship to the Blackpool port.
  • Remember while making that journey to Blackpool, Emma breaks it to Jake that since Miss Avocet is dead that Blackpool loop can’t be reset. That would mean the loop would close and then time would become real time. Meaning Emma and the children would have to go to their time, (if not then they might die with as “time catches up”) even though Jake could continue to thrive as a normal person in 2016.

The Final Showdown

  • The final show down, the big event where skeletons of Enoch O’ Conner, fight the Hollows, then takes place on January 11, 2016,  in the same Miss Avocet’s loop at a seaside carnival. Children had to get out of that loop before 4:30 which was the time of the Avocet’s loop closing. (If not they would get stuck in 2016 only to die quickly)
  • When everything calms down, and Baron is vanquished, Jake says goodbye to everyone, and returns home to find his Grandfather still alive. This is primarily because that event of Hollows killing Abe hadn’t occurred yet. It is also very unlikely to happen since Hollows and Barron have been killed before time. Meaning Barron would never go to Florida with the Hollow to meet Abe.

The Ending Part

  • Miss Peregrine on the other hand is hurt, so she can’t come back to her normal form to create time loops. She makes it along with other children to the year 1940. The same year when the time loop was completely annihilated with that bomb drop.
  • In the end, Abe insinuates: Even though Miss Peregrine’s 1940 loop has closed, Jake at least knew were they were. Abe offers him some international currency and a map showing the exact location of all the loops to track them down.
  • In order to reach the same time however he has to travel many time loops (that explains his hair growth) taking shortcuts that would take him to the the precise moment where they were about to leave with the ship i.e. in the year 1940 still.
  • When he finally reaches there, he finds Emma still on the ship, brooding, lost in her thoughts. For her the time hasn’t really changed.

Explanation on How Jake Managed to Meet Emma in the End

If you are vexed at how he traveled back to her, here’s an excerpt from his explanation of Jake’s journey from the movie.

The closest loop Jake entered was in California desert. He went into the loop and in the year “19XX” (it wasn’t told). He looked for the next loop which could have been on a different date in the same year, and was located in Tokyo. So he traveled to Tokyo, entered the loop that could have taken him further close to 1940, which was the year 1942. It’s there where he joined Navy to wait for the day of the loop from where he was supposed to enter the London loop. Two months of another wait there would have then taken him to the exact day of Sep 3, 1940 where the peculiar children were about to board the ship. So in hopes to meet Emma he didn’t actually rest at all, it was a constant struggle till he reached her year.

So that kiss in the end was justified. 😉

still from miss peregrine's home for peculiar children movie final scene ship

Another Important Fact from Miss Peregrine’s Home for Peculiar Children Movie

Do you remember how smug and unsurprised Grampa Abe was when Jake found him in the end? Well, partly because he knew beforehand that Jake was a peculiar too. Also he probably knew that Jake was already helping the birds.

Now, one of the major reasons why Grandfather knew that his grandson was a peculiar too was because he had listened to that phone call that Jacob tended to in the year 1940, telling him how much he loved him, and missed him.

Mind = Blown!

Anything you find more intriguing about Miss Peregrine’s Home for Peculiar Children movie ? Drop it in the comments section.

For a better glimpse into the movie I would suggest you read our complete thorough review here: Miss Peregrine’s Home For Peculiar Children Review 2016

You might also like

64 Comments

  1. Hi,

    That was really clear thank you. However there is one thing that still bugs me. Why does jake need to go from loop to loop to find Emma at the end. He has a map with all the loops and their date, why can’t he go straight to the closest one to Emma’s year?

    Thank you 🙂

    • Hi Cassandre,

      A very good question actually! You are correct when you are thinking it would have saved everyone a lot of time if he could have just directly gone to Emma’s nearest time loop. But I think the map he is given doesn’t have a direct access or approach to a given time loop.

      Okay, even if it has, let’s assume the nearest year to that of Emma’s as 1938 (since Sep 3 1940’s was obliterated) So he has two choices. Either wait 2 years for them to come, or since we see him constantly running as there is not a minute to waste, go to another loop that brings him closer to the precise moment in 1940. So for that let’s assume there is another time loop at a different place and day in 1938 that takes him directly to 1940, to the exact moment they come out on the port. He chooses to keep scouring for Emma’s timeline, and in the process grows up a little.

      From his looks we take, he has traveled a lot. So in order to reach the precise ship moment, he must have gone through a series of loops. Unfortunately he was trying to fill in Emma with the details but is shut up with a kiss.

      So I am guessing the only logic we are left with is that there is no direct approach available.

      Hope that helps. 🙂

  2. Hi Scottshak,
    Thank you so much for this explanation.

    If I summarize the functioning of the loops :
    – If you stay in the loop and if the loop is renewed, you live the same day again and again. Only the peculiar keep memory of it, and only the peculiar who are at the right place (otherwise, all the peculiar living in September 3, 1940 would have lived the same day again and again).
    – if you get out of the loop through the passageway, you get back at “the time when you entered it plus the time you spent in the loop”. That’s how Jake come back to his father everyday.
    – if the loop get closed, every one in the loop keep living in the same time, which stops to rewind.

    The thing I don’t get is the effect on your own life. You wrote “It is also very unlikely to happen since Hollows and Barron have been killed before time.” Does it mean, for example, that if Jake had died in 1940 (before he is even born), would he never have existed ? It seems unlikely that the Hollows doesn’t kill Abe, because if so Jake would never have heard of Miss Peregrine, and would never have saved her, and so on.

    The other hypothesis is that all the actions done in 1940 have already occurred in 2016 : Jake has phoned Abe, and so on. It means that all your life keep the same, wherever she ends.
    Difficulties :
    – it means that the Hollows will kill Abe no matter what
    – it means that, for example Jake, could meet himself in 2016 when he go and meet Abe before his death 😉
    – which call does Abe have lived : the calls with Miss Peregrine and the one with Jake ? 😉

    Movies with time travel are always tricky 😉 (sorry for my english, I’m French)

  3. Hi Thomas,

    Brilliant question! It made me ponder on it for a while.

    First of all, we should establish that time always moves forward. So even if one goes back and creates a ripple in a timeline, it will change according to one’s actions.

    When Jake received that phone call of Abe, it happened on the same day it always rang i.e. 3rd Sep 1940. But this time, however the difference is that after speaking to him, the loop gets destroyed completely. So, any other actions that might have happened in the past, like Miss Peregrine picking up the phone every time it rang, no longer exist in this newly created timeline. After the obliteration of that timeline anything that moved forward keeps creating new things. So even if Jake would have died at some point fighting the Hollows, Barron would have moved forward with the experiment. But then a new timeline would have been created and may be Abe would have died again in 2016 in the present, with Jake appearing there as well, (because it was his grown up version that would have died) and trying to stop it once again, only to die in 1940’s loop.

    But yes, if someone would have killed Jake in 1996 when he was a baby, then it would have changed everything. The new timeline would see Abe dying every time without Jake coming to understand anything about Miss Peregrine. But then again it is up to the author’s convenience, and his liking that nothing of that sorts happen.

    Yes, I can’t agree more to that. Time travel is utterly confusing.

    🙂

  4. To simplify, if only for myself, access to certain timeloop may not be available depending on the current time period. Say, there’s a gate that puts you in 2/26/1939 but it is destroyed in 3/14/1939, you’d have to path your way through available gates to a time period that has access to the gate to 2/26/1939.

  5. I think a destroyed time loop can’t be accessed again. That explains why in the end everybody seemed to move on, and not rush towards a time loop that would put them at a preceding gate. But then again, it wasn’t shown properly, and we are left to brood.

  6. Hi! Great work on the effort and explanation! But I cannot help wondering, at the time when Jake went to visit Grandpa Abe in the near 2016 loop, what happens or what is going on with the Jake at THAT time, in the same loop? Does this mean there will be two Jakes in the same time zone?

    If not, what about his parents at that time? if he was already lost or gone by that time it would’ve been a massive mess?

    Hope we can work together this thought has been bugging me endlessly!

  7. Hi Anne,

    A very interesting thought. You are correct in thinking that there would have been two Jakes in the Final Showdown timeloop. But the reason they didn’t run into each other could be primarily because –

    Remember how Jake thought Abe was crazy and he had stopped visiting him? So in that estranged period of time, he had never really come to see him. It was probably the same span during which the future Jake pays him a visit to tell him how happy he is to find him alive.

    So to answer your second question, his parents still had Jake with them then that’s why nobody freaked out on him going away.

    We would have loved it if the director had at least showed us a glimpse of the then Jake confirming this. Like I said before, it wasn’t shown properly rather raced down to the finish line.

    Hope that answers your question.

    However, there is another crazy theory I have been thinking about all this time. But there are not enough proofs to support that. And the more I think about it, the more it perplexes me. Hear me out:

    What if Abe = Jake?

    What if Abe and Jake are the same person? Like something we saw in Predestination. Mind = Blown!

    I mean there are plenty of occasions that tries to insinuate that.

    1. Like when Emma finds Jake she calls him Abe because Jake looked just like his grandfather.
    2. Both Jake and Abe could see Hollows.
    3. If it was in the genes or something we would have expected Jake’s Dad to be a peculiar too. But he turned out to be normal and a disappointment for Abe.

    So, if we are thinking Jake is Abe, he might have had a fallout with Emma at some point after let’s say 1950. He might have come out of the loop business for a while, got hitched and produced his Dad. ( I know that sounds so wrong!) His Dad might have then married his Mom at some point, meanwhile Abe getting on with the peculiar business, which might have costed him his marriage, and Jake’s Dad hating Abe because of his disappearance acts.

    At some point then Jake would have been born, and realizing the phone call Abe would have understood that it was supposed to be his Grandson with his powers. To bring him up to speed he would then start with the easier things – stories about hollows and peculiars.

    And the story continues from there.

    This brings us to the primal question how was Abe conceived then? Well, to answer that through Jake’s Mom and Dad in the future. So basically with that insane theory, the movie boils down to nothing but Jake’s attempt to save himself from dying by the hands of a Hollow.

    I know what you are thinking though. This is crazy! This can’t be right! Trust me even I thought the same way. But then it kept boiling me up, and I just had to put this down on paper for people to notice.

    This theory is too much Predestination-ish. And I am pretty sure the writers might not have even thought in that direction. But it does let you think beyond what’s written, and that makes us think even more. Doesn’t it?

    I’d rather be thinking on such mind-boggling time theories than just put down the pen and call it quits after watching a time travel movie.

    🙂

    • curiously----confused

      December 27, 2016 at 10:44 pm

      hi i just wanted to point out something if jake came out into his timeline in the year 2016 in blackpool, england how the hell did this boy travel back to florida with a bicycle that i don’t know how the hell he got to visit his dad.

      • Hi,

        A movie leaves a lot of things to viewer’s imagination. One cannot show timely activities in it or the movie would end up becoming very lengthy. So, in the final moments if you see Jake on a bicycle it clearly means it wasn’t the only way he traveled, that it was just a part of his travelogue. Hope that helps 🙂

        • curiously----confused

          January 3, 2017 at 6:59 pm

          oh that makes a lot of sense, thank you
          (still wandering how he got the money to go back)

          • Hi again,

            I see what you are getting at. Could be one of those flaws the movie housed, or we can think hitchhiking, maybe? Or he rang up his father who made some travel arrangements for him? The latter sounds reasonable.

            He must have had some pocket change on him to reach his home, from where he might have picked up his bicycle to visit Abe.

            – Scottshak

  8. Hi. I would like to ask, in the end of the movie where in Emma was in the boat, whose loop are they in? Knowing the real falcon peregrine, now I’m confused.

    • Hi Chan,

      It wasn’t a loop she was in. They were simply returning from the time where their loop had been destroyed by the bomb. It was more of a gateway entry and exit point that took them to the Mr. Baron showdown in and out.

      So the time they were in was more of a point where their actual loop had been destroyed, meaning no loop existed at that precise moment. It was some time after the events of Sep 3 1940. Most likely Sep 4 and they were out in the open.

      However, remember in the end we see Miss Peregrine come back to her original form, insinuating she could create a new loop yet again and then maybe take the children under her aegis once again. So that was something that was likely to happen.

      Hope that helps.

  9. Ilan hashimshony

    November 22, 2016 at 2:44 pm

    Hey Scottshak,

    loved your explanations, and the original post sound logical to me except of one Fact that I at least find cannot be disputed.

    I believe that Abe is dead, and only going back to the date of his murder and kill the hollow before will actually save him.

    Let me explain….

    Throughout the whole film Jake encounter “present” Baron.. the same Baron that was his doctor, and then killed his grandpa and then followed him to the 1940 loop.

    So when Baron was killed in the 2016 “a bit earlier than Jakes present” loop this does not change what have already append (since it is the future of the loop but Barons PAST)

    Try to remember how Baron complained in front of his friends towards the end how the hollow killed Abe before he had the time to interrogate him.

    Think about it, I think it makes scene,

    Cheers,

    Ilan

  10. Hi Ilan,

    This actually depends on how Ransom Riggs was thinking when he decided to mess with the time theory. As per Multi-verse theory every time you do something odd, it creates a new dimension and an alternate story of sorts wherein multiple versions of you can co-exist.

    The other theory deals with automatic adjustment of your past actions. That if you mess with someone’s past you can see it’s effect in the same timeline. It is also more popularly known as the Grandfather paradox.

    Since we are believing, that phone call had Abe believe that it was Jake who was going to be a Peculiar, and that their versions could co-exist in the same timeline, we take the latter theory up in order to understand this confusing concept. Meaning that everything in the same timeline auto-adjusts as per relativity.

    What happened with Abe’s well being can be justified with the Grandfather paradox, as the Hollow that was trying to kill Abe in the future had been killed at ‘some point in the past’ meaning that the future that was about to be written from that point onwards cannot have the existence of Hollow at all. So Abe doesn’t go mad, and doesn’t get killed by that Hollow at all. Those events have been erased, and time has auto adjusted itself in a Barron and Hollow free world.

    Look at it this way:

    You going back in time to kill Hitler before he was born. When you come back to your time, you will have a Hitler free world. As simple as that.

    Hope that helps. 🙂

    Scottshak

  11. Jusy wanna ask..
    1943 loop are destroyed..means that they will continue to live in 1943..how they manage to go in 2016..

  12. Hi Azam,

    Even though the 1940 loop was destroyed, there was an entrance portal for a 2016 loop at some place, which the children took (where the Barron had taken Miss Peregrine). When they come back they are yet again in 1940 but without the loop since it was destroyed. We get to see Miss Peregrine recuperating quickly, coming to her original form meaning that she could create yet another loop for them so the children could continue to live there.

    Hope that helps 🙂

    Scottshak

  13. I think the time travel line in this movie follows the rules used in 12 monkeys… So, his grandfather dies because that’s the event that started everything, Jake never changed anything(all of his actions in the past allready happened), the grandfather in the begining of the movie has listened to Jake’s phone call and was visited by an older Jake a few months before dying, then he is killed, which make Jake’s to go through the story, do that phone call and the visit in an earlier 2016.

    This way there is only One jake, who can visit past and futures version of him (Asimov style).

    PD: like in Asimov’s novels if Jake visit a past version of him this has allready happened. So he never truly change anything, he just make decisions in a nonlinear story affecting only his future not his past.

    PPD: sorry for bad english (I’m from Venezuela)

  14. Hi David,

    Thanks for the Asimov theory. If we take that into account we can establish that there is only one Jake. I guess you are prodding at multiverse theory with that insinuation which doesn’t consider time as linear.

    I, on the other hand, was thinking it had something to do with time being linear. And there were multiple suggestions to that, which makes me think it is the latter that Ransom Riggs tries to get at. (Read the answer I wrote for Ilan)

    However, like you said, we are taking into account how the future gets affected. So expounding on that further, after the destruction of the timeline in 1940, whatever gets written afterwards is an ‘affected future’. In that affected future Abe’s call was attended by Jake in 1940 when Abe was in a booth, meaning that Abe would know about Jake beforehand. That would also prepare Abe for Jake when he visits him after killing Barron.

    But yes, since the movie never showed two Jakes together, I am assuming your Asimov theory fits the bill just fine. However, such contrasting claims pushes us further in the pickle. 🙁

    Thanks and Regards,
    Scott

  15. Casey R Sanders

    December 6, 2016 at 7:04 pm

    Hi, pretty well written post. There was just one thing that got to me. I can’t understand how they justified how they could have entered miss avocet’s loop from 1940 when the loop hadn’t been created yet. Plus, the place where they entered avocet’s loop looked like an aged version of the building within the loop, which leads me to belive they entered the loop in the present day.

    So I’m left assuming that because peregrine’s loop was destroyed, that those in it were shifted to the present day, but that idea contradicts the statement earlier in the movie that starting in the present too long would cause them to age rapidly. They would have had to be sailing for several days to reach avocet’s loop, which id think would be too long for them not to age at all.

    This makes the idea of them existing a few months in the past, after the final conflict, without aging even more implausible.

  16. Hi Casey,

    Miss Avocet’s loop was in Blackpool from where she had come running to Miss Peregrine and the children for help claiming that her loop had been taken over by Barron. When Miss Avocet was killed, and Miss Peregrine kidnapped, the only thing children knew that Miss Peregrine was being taken to Blackpool for the immortality experiment. Jake suggests Barron might have taken the boat to Blackpool, and so they chase him with the gargantuan ship.

    On their way to Blackpool Emma tells him about the loop there which was dated January 11th, 2016. Them being peculiars going in and out the loop was not the problem, the main problem was that the loop could not be repeated. With Avocet out of the equation, the loop couldn’t be reset. So, it was established that children would return to 1940, leaving Jake behind.

    Yes, you are correct when you talk about their ageing, as it was Emma who had said, “More than a few minutes in your time and the years would catch up.” However, I doubt that Blackpool was days away from Cairnholm Island, as the children were wondering if they would be able to make it in time before settling on taking the ship. I am thinking maybe few hours, and they might be ageing in those hours but not too fast I assume, or Tim Burton might have shown children grown up by the time Jake met them in the end.

    Hope that answers your question. 🙂

    • Scottshak,

      I’m with you 100% on Abe = Jake. You mention Burton doesn’t show the aged peculiars, except thy he does. Go back and watch the scene where the family shows up for Jake’s birthday. You’ll see some familiar, but slightly older faces. I’m unsure if that is a nod to Wizard of Oz-type foreshadowing, or Burton pulling a Big Fish through the time slip.

      The only thing unclear to me is if Abe’s house was a sort of mini loop/access point, or if there’s any hint to confirm the theory I came here looking to support. I need to go back and look for clues during the phone call from Abe, and when Jake gets to Abe’s. I have a feeling I’ve missed something with Jake’s coworker who gives him a ride, as well.

      Finally to add to the Abe = Jake theory, consider:
      Abe (Abraham) – Grandfather
      Franklin – Father
      Jake (Jacob) – Son

      If we were to focus on namesake, biblically speaking, Jacob is the son of Isaac (no correlation to Franklin), who is the son of Abraham. Possibly a hint of closer kinship than simply grandfather and grandchild?

      This all leads me to believe there is an allegory to the events of the halocaust. Loops being safe havens for Jews seeking to hide from the holocaust (hollowgast?), which was essentially attempting to wipe out all the peculiars.

      So if we assume the things I’ve written here are true, and really try to make the correlation, then this is fancy way of re-telling the story of Jewish people during the events of WW2. It’s a stretch of a theory, but if I really try, I’m sure I can wrap it all up in a nice package about avoiding atrocities by learning from the past.

      Either way, I believe the film was meant to leave us to debate, rather than conclusion (incase there is a sequel…Jake does make a point to mention London when he meets Emma in the end).

      -B

      • Hi Bob,

        It was really great how you extracted a beautiful allegory from the movie. It forces us to open our eyes to so many things that we don’t pay attention to. We choose to see the shallow part of everything. It’s good, at least we are thinking!

        I didn’t understand however who Isaac really is? Are you just suggesting a random name for instance? Or was there a character I missed?

        Even so, there was a line in the movie that says a peculiar’s child doesn’t have to be a peculiar or something, so if you are trying to connect Franklin to Abe, Franklin doesn’t have to be a peculiar. I surmise, it has something to do with their odd DNA wiring.

        -Scottshak

  17. One thing that really bugs me is why they have to live in time loops in the first place. Is it because they don’t want to grow old and die? I’d understand if they live in loops because they’re being chased by the bad guys but since the Ymbrynns’s only purpose is to create these loops then I suppose they’ve been doing this since before the bad guys became bad guys. So, why? Don’t they want their children to grow up? Maybe I’m missing something here. Someone, please enlighten me.

    • Hi Spencer,

      Power is a funny thing. Human mind has always endeavored to extend its boundaries to see how far one’s reach is. What is one truly capable of? What things one could do?

      There is something about power that makes you want to do things. Let’s just say, you get a superpower to fly. You could argue then why would you wanna fly when you could walk to a place. But hey! We are talking about flying here!

      On similar grounds, Miss Peregrine had this superpower to control time, and she could do so in a time loop that she could create. So what are the benefits really, you ask?

      A) It’s the only place where a person doesn’t age. If you get a shot at immortality, you would definitely take it.

      B) It gives you a good vantage to learn about events. You could skip past different time loops to understand a lot of things about the past the future and the timeline itself. In a way it is educative.

      C) It’s a school of sorts for Peculiars like that of Charles Xavier’s in X-Men. So Peculiars could learn to work with others, control their power, channelize it in doing good things, and understand more about themselves, and so each other.

      D) If you remember, Enoch had mastered the art of reviving things to life. He had a whole bunch of collection with him, so it wasn’t exactly a jaded life he was leading with his nerdy collection and a hot girlfriend by his side.

      E) It would be wrong to say they didn’t age. In their short scavenging hunts they would come out of their loops to wander. Exiting a loop would cause time to catch up on them, making them age faster than a normal person. It was their choice entirely, so they weren’t held captive exactly. So I would say it’s not like “they have to” but “they wanted to” there.

      F) Everyone was allotted a job to take care of their ‘one’ doomed day. Doesn’t that feel kind of reflective, I don’t know, of our lives? A majority of the people in the world still do things that they are asked of, without questioning back. They like to just do things. They like being told what to do. Because we still don’t know what our true purpose is. We brand it ‘responsibilities’, and wake up everyday to earn bread. That is all! Don’t we do the same old thing over and over again? At the end of the day what is it we achieve that is so different to their livelihood?

      I hope the final point answers a lot of questions. 🙂

    • Hello Spencer!
      In the movie it isn’t really mentioned, but in the books it is explained that Peculiars started to take refuge in the loops permanently when Hollowgasts were created in 1908.
      Before then, they lived in loops mainly to be safe from the cruelty of Normals who were scared of them because of their powers, but they moved more freely between loops, even discovering new ones.
      That doesn’t mean that Peculiars are forced to live in loops forever, as many choose to live and age as Normals, as Abe did (although for certain reasons).
      I hope this answers your question.

  18. Hello everyone! I know we are talking about the movie here and trying to explain the workings of the loops in that continuity, but I’d like to contribute with some explanations from someone who has read the books. I’ll try to keep this as spoiler free as possible.
    First of all, how is it possible that Jake’s adventure is not obliterated when Mr. Barron and the Hollow that killed his grandpa are killed?
    It is as clear in the movie as it is in the books that only Peculiars can enter the loops and therefore have memories of the days they spend there. Wights, being former Peculiars/Hollowgasts, can enter the loops too, so Dr. Golan/Mr. Barron entering the loop is accurate, as he does that in the novel too. However, Hollogasts cannot enter loops, at least not in the first book, so Bronwyn’s brother Victor was killed by a Hollow outside of the loop, and said Hollow isn’t revived every day and killed by Miss Peregrine.
    Victor’s body is preserved from decay but he stays dead, and presumably that would be the same fate of any other Peculiar, Wight or Hollowgast inside a loop, unlike Normals who are revived at reset, in both movie and books.
    It is specified by Millard in “Hollow City” that trying to change people’s fate in a loop is useless, as history is already written and will find a way to fulfill itself.
    In other words, in books-universe, even if the Hollow that killed Abe was killed in 1940 (which he is not) his actions in the present day would still be unchanged and Abe would be dead all the same.
    That is a paradox that the movie created by having a completely different ending from the first novel, and that in my opinion wasn’t really necessary.
    Also, there’s another point where the movie messed up with the books’ rules about loops.
    When the Cairnholm loop is closed, time resumes to flow normally as if it was the present, but the 1940-present.
    At the end of the movie, Jacob makes his way to the ship on the day it left Blackpool by passing through numerous loops and eventually waiting for the exact day by joining the Navy. However, if he was actually in a loop, the same day would keep repeating itself (e.g. August 4, 1940) and he would never arrive in September 4, 1940 where he left the others. If he left the loop he would find himself in his present, in 2016, unless the loop was closed permanently.
    That’s quite a big headscratcher the movie made all by itself, but then again it’s not like the books are completely devoid of them, as any other fantasy publication about time travel. Anyway, if anyone has some more questions about the movie/books differences, feel free to ask!

    • Thank you Riccardo. Thank you so much for that wonderful explanation. We needed a thorough insight from a book reader. The movie skipped a lot of things, agreed. And we were left to our imagination to work everything out. I am pretty sure your explanation must have closed a lot of doubts.

      Cheers!

    • Hi! Thank you so much for that explanation! I just saw the movie and I just had to resolve my doubts about the time loops. So, 2 things.

      1. They only way Jake could have made it to the ship is my entering a loop near that time and then having it closed permanently, right? So… Could a Ymbryne do that? She would have to open it and not reset it… so she would be trapped in that time. She could just reopen another timeloop for her and her children and everything would be ok wouldn’t it? How does the books resolve it’s ending? Or is it a completely different ending?

      2. If the Peculiars/Hollowgasts are the only ones who can enter the timeloops, remember their time there and actually be affected by said loops, then… Isn’t it reasonable to think that if Mr. Branson and the Hollowgast that killed Abe were killed before they killed Abe, Abe would still be alive? Maybe to keep the rule you mentioned, history would still have a way of resolving itself and maybe Abe would still die but because of different circumstances. But because Jake stayed in the January 11, 2016-present he would still find him alive.

      I think the biggest error in the movie would be that they didn’t make it clear that when their 1940 loop wasn’t reset and therefore destroyed, they where in 1940 still and so they were ageing day by day. That part was what made me look up the explanation for the loops. I thought they where back in 2016 present and couldn’t understand how they weren’t ageing instantly.

      • This is the same exact thing that happened to me! I’m glad someone was kind enough to explain the whole concept, I think I finally grasped it! The movie left me with so many questions .. but then again, isn’t it exactly that what makes a movie so great!

      • Hi Manuela,

        Even though this question was directed towards Riccardo, I would like to pitch in to clear some things.

        1. Jake doesn’t have to close a loop permanently. He just has to get out of it. There are entry/exit points in the loops that he can access in order to jump from loops to a particular time. Yes, a Ymbryne is capable of creating a time loop but she doesn’t have to be trapped in it. Think of it as creating a home, where you are free to leave whenever you feel like. In the end we see Miss Ymbryne coming to her original form, which insinuates that she has recuperated and might create another loop for her children by finding a suitable place and condition. The one that was completely obliterated by the bomb was actually created in a hurry, and that’s why it had so many flaws.

        2. Yes Abe would go on to live since the loop in January 11, 2016 where the fight actually took place ends at 04:30 PM and obliterates too causing anything that moved on from thereon, to have a new timeline altogether. The following conversation might help to understand things further, “If we kill Barron, he’ll be gone, but time will carry on. He won’t go to Florida, Abe won’t die, and you can go home.”

        Yes, they didn’t make crystal clear I agree, but facts show that they were in 1940 only after they made it back from 2016’s slaughter. They were ageing yes, but slowly, (ageing really fast would happen if they would have stayed out in 2016, and they might have died quickly too) but since it was their time, the ageing would be just like how it happens for us. Gradual change over months and years!

        Hope that clears your doubts Manuela. Cheers!

        -Scottshak

    • To reply to your headscratcher Riccardo I am thinking there was another way of out of the loop that would allow you to live in its continued timeline. So if Jake wished to go to a date he could exit the loop without readjusting himself to show up in 2016 instead. So, I am thinking there’s a way to do that and it was explained by Abe to him when he handed him the book. Making getting out of loop and existing in the same year (next day of the loop) possible.

      Makes sense, right?

      – Scottshak

  19. I have a question. So what happened to Victor? He was left upstairs and got obliterated when the loop closed or there is some way he survive or is brought back to life?

    • Asking because he shed tears in the movie which makes it seem he might be alive still in some way

    • In dire times, you leave the dead to their fate. I think it is alright to assume he was completely obliterated when the bomb went off. Unless the writer has a different plan altogether we might not be able to see him again. However, Enoch’s ability to brim bodies alive might come at play at some point in the long run. Since, he was a peculiar I believe it was a mere allusion, future books might be bringing people back from the dead. With Victor we can’t really say, what happened, since the movie totally forgot about him.

  20. At the end of the movie does Jake ends up staying with them forever?

    • Yes, Jada. That’s what happens in the end. However, I am pretty sure Jake can travel anytime he wishes to through loops to meet his parents. The decision is entirely up to him.

  21. I’m just confused about Miss Avocet’s loop. So is her loop set in the future? The ‘normal’ timeline for that loop is 1940, that’s why the children and Jake can enter through it after their loop was destroyed by a bomb. I just don’t understand why Miss Avocet would set her loop’s date (2016) in advance of 1940. I thought a loop’s timeline was supposed to be happening in the past relative to what the ‘current’ timeline is. That’s why Ms. Peregrine had to set her loop minutes before the bomb drops so as to save the house and children. There’s no logic why Miss Avocet had to set her loop in the year 2016 relative to 1940.

    • The timeloop is just supposed to be a perfect day for the children to live in. In Miss Peregrine’s case, her children are all from 1940, so her timeloop is set in 1940. The reason it isn’t prefect is because she was forced to make the loop in a hurry (because of the bomb).

      Miss Avocet’s timeloop is in 2016 because all her peculiars are from 2016.

      Because Miss Avocet’s timeloop was taken over, she created a new portal to go from her Jan 2016 loop to Miss Peregrine’s Sep 1940 timeloop. She essentially made a backdoor that could go from one timeloop to another. A benefit of being a master of time.

  22. This is very much a non-parodoxical version of a timeline – meaning that, no matter what happens, there is only one timeline and nothing that has happened can be changed. Ultimately, if you go back in time and change something, you may actually be the cause of the events in the first place. Let me explain…

    In the beginning, Jake is given a book with the post card in it (a tucked-away birthday present from his now deceased grandfather, Abe). This is an important thing to remember. A book with a post card.

    Skip ahead to Miss Avocet showing up. Her timeloop had been taken over so she created a new bridge from her timeloop in Jan. 2016 to Miss Peregrine’s timeloop in Sep. 1940.

    A very important thing to note here: The hollows in Miss Avocet’s timeloop are from the present. Miss Peregrine’s children travel from their timeloop in 1940 to Miss Avocet’s timeloop in Jan 2016 to fight Hollows from July 2016. That’s why Baron remembers all the details about Jake’s therapy. Sorry if your head hurts from that one.

    After the final battle, the Peregrine children return to a normal time progression in 1940 while Abe stays for the closing of Miss Avocet’s timeloop… in Jan 2016! Six months in his recent past!

    When Jake goes to see Abe at the end of the movie, he is visiting his grandfather BEFORE he is killed. He gets his moment of catharsis, telling his grandfather everything that happens. Abe then presents the (now early) birthday present which is a book full of foreign currencies (not a postcard). Jake takes the money (leaving the book) and finds his way back to 1940 to meet his love.

    Now here’s the kicker…
    Abe took that book and placed the postcard in it, just as he heard Jake describe in the story. Abe knew that he was going to die in 6 months and ensured that everything would happen exactly as it was supposed to.

    Jake got a postcard from Abe which set him out on an adventure which led back to his own past where he inspired his grandfather to leave the postcard in the first place.

    BOOM!
    Now your mind’s blown.

    *BONUS TIME-TRAVEL KICKER*
    Abe remembered the phone call from 1940. That is how he knew that he would, one day, have a grandson with his abilities and that he would, one day, end up in Miss Peregrine’s house. All of which inspired Abe to teach young Jake all about the Hollows as well as teaching him where each of the portals are.

    DOUBLE BOOM!

    • Hi Atlas,

      A very interesting theory, but I am afraid it contradicts the actual conversation that happened between Emma and Jake on the ship. Here’s an excerpt from the conversation:

      “So, there’s a loop here in Blackpool.
      It’s only six months old. January 11th, 2016.
      With Miss Avocet gone, it can’t be reset.
      Won’t the loop close?
      Then it’s back to real time.
      Jake, you know what this means, don’t you?
      You’re gonna die.
      That’s not what I mean.
      We have to get to our own time, but you don’t.
      You can continue to live in 2016.
      But why would I do that?
      If we kill Barron, he’ll be gone, but time will carry on.
      He won’t go to Florida, Abe won’t die, and you can go home.”

      This proves that Abe is going to survive after Baron is killed, and that time does change. Hope that clarifies it and possibly reroute you to a different time theory 🙂

      • yeah, it was an inconsistency there… or we can just assume that Emma isn’t sure of she was saying.
        Regarding Miss Avocet’s time loop closing, and Jake staying in January 2016, does it mean that he just created two instances of himself. Because Jake back in January 2016 should’ve already existed and was probably in their grocery store.

        • Hi Chumz,

          When Miss Avocet’s loop closed at 04:30 PM on January 11, 2016, it obliterated the timeline that was already in place. January 11, 2016 then became the present, and whatever actions Jake would have taken, would have written his present from thereon. So, his existence from that point onwards is basically defined by how Jake decides to exist. So, if Jake chose to vanish, his existence in June 2016 would be “Missing”.

          This however leaves us with what might have happened to the Jake of January 10, 2016? That’s where it makes us think of all other possibilities. There is one theory that insinuates that only one form of you can exist at one time, the “time being linear theory” which affects the time you are in. Meaning it automatically obliterates your other form!

          It’s very much possible that there were two Jakes existing at the same time, like you said, which the movie didn’t show, or might have? I would like you to think more about the Jake = Abe theory, which although contradicts the whole point is a pretty interesting theory, and answers a lot of question.

          -Scottshak

          • The theory that describes the progression of time as linear is very much relative. What I mean to say is that Jake could jump all over time and exist in multiple years, multiple times over, and even in the same time AT the same time – and this would still be true to the linear timeline of Jake (since, for Jake, his personal timeline is still progressing one second at a time regardless of what era he is in).

            Past Jake could not have vanished upon the arrival of Present Jake because it is the actions of Past Jake that lead Present Jake there in the first place. Hence the paradox.

            Similarly, Abe could not be saved because it took his death for Jake to follow the path he did. If Abe didn’t die, Jake never left, never crossing the timeline to save Abe in the first place. Again… Paradox.

            Sorry, bud… No matter how you shake it, there were two Jakes for about six months and Abe’s dead…

            • So what you are trying to say is if you invent Time Machine in the future say in 2040, and then you come back to kill yourself in 2017, the 2040 one will continue to exist? That there is no way you can change the past?

              In Gatsby’s tone, “Why, of course you can.” 😉

              As explained to Ilan before, there is something called Grandfather Paradox which I am afraid doesn’t work that way. And I am pretty sure since the movie-makers decided to go with “Abe would be alive” scenario that it is the theory that comes into play here as well. I would suggest you give a read to the Grandfather Paradox first by Googling it. A lot of your doubts might get cleared then and there.

              Sorry, to burst your bubble there, but it’s one of those proven theories that Hollywood loves to resort to. That and the causality theory, which we saw in Predestination.

              • I am quite familiar with time-travel paradoxes (including the Grandfather Paradox) and thoroughly enjoy discussing them! As such, I would never suggest being able to kill a past version of myself and still exist. And no, there is no way to change the past.

                If the movie had taken the “Abe would still be alive” scenario, it would be completely paradoxical and therefore, impossible. Abe’s death is the reason Jake left in the first place. If Abe doesn’t die, Jake doesn’t leave and would not be able to travel back in time to save Abe in the first place. This is a modified version of the Grandfather Paradox called the “Let’s Kill Hitler” Paradox. In “legal-ese,” an action cannot undo the event that inspired said action.

                I think your taking the poorly written Emma dialogue as fact and misinterpreting the ending of the movie. Firstly, Emma is wrong. Jake cannot kill Baron and prevent Abe from being killed. The version of Baron we see in the London loop is the one that has already killed Abe. We know this because he knows all about Jake’s therapy session that took place AFTER Abe was killed. Killing this Baron did not change the fact that Abe was already killed because the Baron from that specific timeline still existed and is going to kill Abe.

                Secondly, when Jake visits Abe, it is before the events of his death. Jake tells him the whole story and Abe gives him the book (not wrapped) with the money in it. Jake then leaves Abe. Abe takes the book, puts the postcard in it, wraps it, and puts it away for the Jake that hasn’t done all these things yet. Also, the visit from Jake is what let Abe know the hollows were coming for him; which is why Abe was frantically searching for a gun at the beginning of the movie. He knew it was the time of his death.

                This would have been much more clear if certain key things were handled better; namely, the incorrect Emma theory and some clarification as to the date/time we see Jake and Abe in the end.

                A caveat in your favor:
                All of these things are true in a NON-paradoxical version of time-travel (a story in which paradoxes are impossible). However, there is still the possibility of a paradoxical version of time-travel. In a paradoxical story, any time a paradox occurs, a divergent timeline is produced (think “Back to the Future II”).

                In a paradoxical story, it would be possible to kill your grandfather, kill Hitler, and even kill your past self and nothing would happen to you because you are from a different timeline. Therefore, it would be possible for Jake to go back in time and save Abe. If this is that type of story, then the Abe in the end is from a different timeline and then time loop hops his way to find Emma. All the while, Abe gets to live out his years with a version of Jake who never went on any adventure and thinks he’s a nutter.

                I don’t think that is the case, however. Everything they did throughout the movie was very much adherent to a NON-paradoxical version of time-travel. I find it more likely that the producers/director did a poor job of pulling it all together in the end.

      • I’m afraid I have to agree with @chumz on this one. Emma either didn’t understand how the closing of time loops works, was suggesting that Jake kill the Baron from January (instead of the Baron from the present), or the much more probable answer – the writers dropped the ball on this one and did a crappy job writing that dialogue.

  23. i thougth at one point that abe and jake were the same person hahaha “interstelar” caind of thing. but that would it be to much to catch

    • Predestination is a good movie..not wow… but i suggest u watch it 😀

    • Yes Carlos. At one point, even I thought so. Look at my comment below Anne’s comment. There were so many implications to that, that it was hard not to think in that direction. Let’s not rule it out altogether 😉

      – Scottshak

  24. Thanks all for the explanations…1 thing didnt add up 4 me tho:
    In the end, when jake jumped through timeloops to go from jan 2016 till sep 1940 how was that possible?

    Before jumping through all the loops, he left his grandpa’s (Date: Jan 2016)—-gets into a timeloop A (Date X)—-then into timeloop B (date Y)——etc.—-reaches sep 1940.

    Leaving pt A to pt B would only get him stuck at Date: Jan 2016 not Date X or Y since the timeloops A and B arent getting closed. He isnt moving through time as once he leaves a loop to join another one is goes back to the original year (2016). The only way i see it is that he is closing every loop he’s entering.

    Can any1 explain pls.. my brain hurts..

    • Hi Waldo,

      Only a Ymbryne can open or close a loop, so let’s first establish that. All the peculiars including Jake can only enter the loop or exit it. So let’s say Jake goes into your timeloop A (Date X) he could get out of the loop and stay in Date X. So, once he is out of the loop he could look for other loops in the same year at different locations. So the next loop timeloop B (Date Y) was at a different location and at a different date, which he used to go to another timeloop closer to Emma’s.

      So this is what happened in reality as per Jake’s explanation to Emma in the end:

      The closest loop Jake entered was in California desert. He went into the loop and in the year “19XX”. He looked for the next loop which could have been on a different date in the same year, and was located in Tokyo. So he traveled to Tokyo, entered the loop that could have taken him further close to 1940, which was the year 1942. It’s there where he joined Navy to wait for the day of the loop from where he was supposed to enter the London loop. Two months of another wait there would have then taken him to the exact day of Sep 3, 1940 where the peculiar children were about to board the ship. So in hopes to meet Emma he didn’t actually rest at all, it was a constant struggle till he reached her year.

      And so he deserved that kiss! 😉

      Hope that answers your question. 🙂

      -Scottshak

      • Nope nope, the rule is that if you are in 2016 and enter a loop that takes place at another time (i.e. 1969), if u leave the loop while it’s still functioning normally then u will resume 2016 not 1969. This happens in the movie a lot when jake keeps leaving the loop(1940) to visit his father (2016).

        The only scenario that he remains in 1969 to roam around travelling as he pleases in that year is that if the loop is closed when the ymbryne dies or if it just doesn’t want to reset the loop.

        Dan , the guy who posted below, is kind of saying the same thing.

        Btw, thanks for the reply… Didn’t expect u 2 reply that fast!
        Much appreciated 👌🏻

        • Okay Waldo,

          So tell me, if Emma or for that to matter any of the peculiars, decided to leave the loop in which year would they be exiting in? Would that be 2016, of course not. You would say the same year 1940 for them but not the same day since that day would be a loop? Correct. So, I am guessing there has to be an exit point from where one could carry on into the then existing timeline. It was not shown in the movie, agreed.

          Also, Abe was a loop traveler too. He might have shared everything he knew about “traveling across loops” with Jake when he gave him the book in the end. I am guessing there must have been a way to exit a loop into the then extant time, making loop travelling possible.

          So, yes the movie left a lot of things to our imagination. On researching further, I came to realize there were different types of loops in the book as well. smh

          Hope we have a closure with that. 🙂

          – Scottshak

          • so what you’re saying is that there is a scenario where u can go out of a loop and continue on with that same year and not go back to ur original date (the date before entering the loop)….. A scenario that is not shown in the film.

            • Yes, I am thinking in that direction, unless I am proven wrong by a book reader. Let’s wait and watch.

              • I can shed a little light on this (using just the info from the movies). The timeloop is not just one little place, it is the whole world. Miss Peregrine’s loop was 1940. The entirety of 1940. The peculiars could have traveled anywhere in the world in 1940, and, as long as Miss Peregrine kept resetting the loop, they would live the same day again and again.

                The only way to enter/exit a time loop is through the specific portal for that loop. For Miss Peregrine, it’s the cave. For Miss Avocet, it’s the haunted house ride. etc. There is no way to enter a specific time loop except through the portal. So, if the portal doesn’t exist in that era, you can’t get to it.

                Jake finds the California diner in 2016, then hops to existing portals as he finds them. The portal in Japan was a photo booth. Maybe the photo booth was destroyed by 2016 which is why he had to hop to another time to get to it. It certainly wouldn’t exist in 1940, which is why he was looking for another one after that. Does that make sense?

                Miss Peregrine’s loop entrance was a cave and would likely exist regardless of the year – making it always accessible from any era. Clearly she was the smartest of the time-manipulating, shape-shifting, bird-ladies! lol

  25. The only problem I have with it all is at the end when Jake travels through several loops to get to Emma. If he ever were to leave a loop he would be back in his own time (2016). A loop repeats the same day over and over again. So if he went to a loop in 1938, then he would be stuck there on the same day. The moment he left that loop he would either enter another loop repeating itself or go back to 2016. Its impossible for him to go to “real” time in 1940. An error in the movie.

    • Hi Dan,

      There is no error in the movie. Please see the reply above that I gave to Waldo. Hope that will clear your doubt. Let me know if it doesn’t. 🙂

      Regards,
      Scottshak

  26. Awesome explanations!!! Thank-you!!! Off topic though do u know who plays “younger abe” in the scenes where he talks to Miss Pelegrine, then later Jake? Ps. I love this movie!!! 💗

    • Hi Steph,

      I think it is Callum Wilson. At least that’s what shows in Wiki’s cast. He is not a renowned actor as of yet. So no images. 🙁

      Glad you liked my explanations, though. 🙂

      – Scottshak

  27. Wonderful article. But here’s my take. Jake and Abe are the same person. Their timelines and life stories are the same. Jake goes back in time to see Emma, they marry, have kids, who produce a grandchild named Jake. They both exist because of Jake’s ability to alter the past, thus creating a future life for himself. Both served in the Navy. Both had the same peculiarity. There exists a possibility in that the two are the same when you take into account time travel and living.

    • Hi Drew,

      In my answer to Anne, I was suggesting the same thing. Glad we are on the same page. Let’s not write it off just yet. 🙂

      – Scottshak

Leave a Reply